yoshikawa_kamri ([info]yoshikawa_kamri) wrote in [info]death_note,
2009-09-05 16:40:00
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Beyond Birthday was in the anime?


After reading "BB murder case" I was surprised why I didn't put everything together.

There are some clues pointed out that Beyond Birthday was featured in the anime. You just never saw his face.

Yomi kun sent me this video showing B.B. at the Wammy's House. No this is not an edited scene. This really happened.

I'm such an idiot! How could I not have known this!

In the manga it was Matt, however in this clip it's B.B.


 

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[info]aircrash

September 5 2009, 20:56:35 UTC 2 years ago

i haven't watched the rewrite episode yet but i've done some speculating about that too, based on clips - when does that interview with the wammy's children take place? for some reason i was thinking it took place after B had already been killed (so that would've made the figure there L incognito, not B).

[info]yoshikawa_kamri

September 5 2009, 21:03:00 UTC 2 years ago

This was a deleted scene in episode 27 "Abduction", when Mello left the Wammy's House. Near sat in his room trying to figure out how L could have died. The clip at the end that you saw was what Near was remembering.

I also know for a fact that B.B was at the Wammy's house around the same time L was, however there is this one note that says he stayed there longer.
It still doesn't add up to the fact B.B isn't supposed to be there when Mello and Near are there. *sweatdrop*

[info]kurosaki_akane

September 5 2009, 21:11:22 UTC 2 years ago

Actually, this isn't a deleted scene nor does it belong to any anime episode. It's a scene made for the Summer Special chapter, Rewrite 2, which was aired the last summer in Japan. It was some sort of OVA with some scenes from the tv series and some new ones that changed the original story.

[info]kurosaki_akane

September 5 2009, 21:08:50 UTC 2 years ago

Ummm, I have to disagree with a few things.

The scene of L being frightened about the Shinigami (not the eyes) was in the manga a few years before B even existed in the mind of the man who wrote the novel (who wasn't even Tsugumi-san). Initially, L isn't remembering B there, he's scared because the mention of the Shinigami itself is frightening.
L also mentions the case in the manga, that's why he does it in the anime. The novel was just based on that random case L mentioned once.

As for the Wammy's House scene, hahaha, the kid watching L through the computer looks so similar to everyone's idea of B, indeed! But I doubt that's actually him; B is from a different generation, as the book states, so he couldn't be with the generation of Mello and Near. Also, isn't B supposed to have disappeared a few years before that scene was even happening?
As for the person whose back we see as flashback, I believe that's L himself (^^;
It's a flashback that displays how his life at Wammy's House was. He was isolated, just like Mello and Near are displayed right after him. Always alone. That's why he decided that they'd be his successors-- they acted similar to how he did. That scene is about L and his successors Mello and Near; B is out of place and his presence wouldn't make a point.

AND THE SUBS FROM THAT SCENE KILL ME *laughs*
L's "I'm afraid of ghosts" translated as "I'm an idiot" makes so much sense. Kudos to whoever subbed that www
We watched the subs a few weeks ago in Germany, and we couldn't stop laughing.

[info]yoshikawa_kamri

September 5 2009, 22:08:15 UTC 2 years ago

Well now that you tell me it's a Summer Special Chapter I'm not confused anymore. (^^) I kept thinking to myself "That can't be B.B because he's not suppose to be at the Wammy's house at that time." Coming across the "rewrite episodes" made me just wonder about a few things.

Death Note is about coming to your own conculsions...
At one point in time I thought I had my conclusion, but then deleted scenes, rewrites, Special arks, and peoples opinions got in the way.

Once I'm done with everything I will have a conclusion. I still need to see the rest of the rewrites.

Thanks for making this clear.(^^)

[info]bastblack

September 8 2009, 21:59:23 UTC 2 years ago

The tall L-ish older looking guy with light brown hair close Mello is wearing glasses. Therefore, it's Matt.

The guy in the hallway with dark hair could be Beyond Birthday or L himself since it looks like a flashback/montage.

[info]kurosaki_akane

September 8 2009, 22:11:16 UTC 2 years ago

It was Matt in the manga, but in the anime it looks like a random looking boy. No idea if they intended for him to still be Matt, but he doesn't look like Matt at all.

As for the boy in the hallway, I think that's definitely L. It's a scene about him, after all. BB as the character described in the novel doesn't exist in the anime (only his case is mentioned like it was mentioned in the manga, as unknown and unimportant for the story), nor does look exactly like L in the novel, either. He'd be completely out of place in a scene where L is talking about himself, and where both Mello and Near are being compared with L.

[info]anddot

September 5 2009, 21:20:13 UTC 2 years ago

I'm gonna have to say, I thought BB was dead way before the computer scene? That was the impression the book gave me, anyway.

It could just be the animators trying to be smart and, uh, missing the obvious.

[info]yoshikawa_kamri

September 5 2009, 22:09:35 UTC 2 years ago

There is also a scene where L is communication with B.B through his labtop.

[info]eru_dition

September 8 2009, 11:45:40 UTC 2 years ago

What on earth scene are you talking about?

B is out of the picture in August 2002: presumably in the hospital, then in prison, where he dies early in 2004.

The scene you're mentioning was in a special Near-centric "sequel" chapter published early in 2008 to coincide with the release of L Change the World. It was adapted for the summer special that year, as Akane said. The dialogue is different in the animated version, and it changes the meaning of the scene.

However, Near makes it clear in the manga version that the scene takes place not long before the start of the Kira case (meaning probably at some point in 2003 -- if you want to consider B in the timing of all this, it's useful to consider that Mello claims to have met L at some point in the year-and-a-few-months between the end of the LABB case and the beginning of the Kira case -- in the manga version, Near states that the video interview was the mechanism by which L chose him and Mello as possible successors).

There is no way that even the animated version of the scene can be placed much before that, because Mello and Near are in it and they aren't young enough to justify B's inclusion. In other words, their ages also suggest that, while the dialogue is different, the scene is still set at some point in 2003.

If B is anywhere, he's the L clone walking down the hall in one of the cuts (which don't have to be set at exactly that time; it could be an easter egg) -- but he can't be the kid who replaced Matt in the interview, in pure timeline terms.

[info]reikanobutushi

September 5 2009, 22:42:59 UTC 2 years ago

hmmmm though they have never provided a physical description of B.B, I do believe that that MIGHT be him. After all, he does look older than all the other kids, and the LABB case took place before Death Note...

[info]xizarx

September 5 2009, 23:31:08 UTC 2 years ago

In manga, that's Matt, but Madhouse is well known to screw everything that is not L or Raito, so they just missed that was an actual character that had appeared before, and they drew a random kid.

[info]yoshikawa_kamri

September 6 2009, 17:44:40 UTC 2 years ago

It's sad how everyone always forgets Matt.

[info]bluhs

September 6 2009, 10:30:24 UTC 2 years ago

Said kid is supposed to be Matt but Madhouse fails. See, they even made ~Linda~ appear.

[info]amanuensis1

September 6 2009, 15:00:43 UTC 2 years ago

Haven't seen the Rewrite II in its entirety, but, damn, that guy sure looks like he could double for L or BB! Fun stuff, even if it might get holes poked in the logic by other sources.

[info]yoshikawa_kamri

September 6 2009, 17:46:29 UTC 2 years ago

The Rewrite's do give you different opinions about the whole thing.

*sigh* "Back to the drawing board.......again."

[info]liam_sensei

September 6 2009, 16:55:46 UTC 2 years ago

I also echo the above statements that that could not have been BB and was supposed to be Matt. I do have a weird feeling that they put a kid that kina looked like L there because they knew BB was so popular or because they thought it would be neat to have another kid who looks like L there. But yeah, BB is either dead or in jail by this point and Matt is supposed to be there.

[info]biodamper

September 6 2009, 23:39:54 UTC 2 years ago

just one question: is the scene where L is talking to the Wammy house kids from his computer from the death note: relight-2 special?

[info]yoshikawa_kamri

September 6 2009, 23:55:47 UTC 2 years ago

Yes.

[info]biodamper

September 7 2009, 00:17:07 UTC 2 years ago

thanks very much :)

[info]twyla_hime

September 7 2009, 06:48:42 UTC 2 years ago

I don't think BB would be standing there laughing so carefree about everything. I think at that point BB would be either dead already or still in the hospital.

It would be great to see animated BB at some point though. ;)

[info]stk316

September 7 2009, 20:35:55 UTC 2 years ago

I'm not sure if their is a date given for when that was.
It's a while since I read/watched it.
It's a nice cameo nonetheless, though I hate MADHOUSE for the second arc butchering.
It's also not impossible to assume that B wasn't the first "Backup" and that their were other "Letters" made to be like L.

[info]eru_dition

September 8 2009, 11:47:28 UTC 2 years ago

Check out the other responses here; the date is not difficult to discern. :)

[info]stk316

September 8 2009, 12:29:35 UTC 2 years ago

True, however I was just stating my thoughts because of the two timelines, it's possible for MadHouse to have gotten mixed up.

[info]charille

September 7 2009, 21:30:46 UTC 2 years ago

You're looking at things the wrong way people. Fail at being Ls, all of you.

Think about publication dates:
LABB was published/written after the original manga came out, and no, Naomi and shinigami eyes came in manga and done in anime, therefore THOSE TWO do not have anything to do with B.
LABB AND DN have two different, independent writers.
Misora Naomi was a loose thread in anime. Had something to do with L past, nobody new what the hell. So some smart guy decided to fill it in with LABB.
Also.
L never figures out B has shinigmai eyes, mind you. It's not in the book, definitely not in the anime, do your homework.
MELLO narrated LABB. As such, Mello would very much know about shinigami eyes and such.
Simple.

The only place B ended up being is in anime, which makes sense because Manga finished > LABB got published > anime came out > rewrite is coming out.
Simply, filler.

And a very nice one, at that.

I would definitely not mind reading about the great detective race (in which L supposedly took down Coil and Denevue and took their names) (also in the book).
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